If you want people to move back to null sec and improve the life of people who dwell there, nerfing logistics is not the way to go about it. Jump-based travel is not exclusive to the large alliances with monstrous Capital and Super Capital fleets. Rather, it's used primarily as a logistics tool by Jump Freighters for seeding markets locally so that we don't have to go to market hubs where every Tom, Richard and Harry who has declared war on us is sitting in wait.

Jump Fatigue will do nothing to stop Super Cap blobbing or Capital Hot Dropping because any commander worth his salt is going to factor it in to their pre-engagement planning. People will just base those fleets nearer to the source in order to avoid Jump Fatigue. If it takes a bit longer to move sub-Cap fleets through multiple Titan bridges fleets will either jump from a closer distance or fleets will form up earlier to compensate for Jump Fatigue. You achieve nothing by doing this other than to annoy the very people who live there.

All this will achieve will be to further drive people from null sec and back to Empire where you can find more entertaining PvP, make more ISK and have easier logistics. At the very least I would suggest that Jump Freighters are given a role bonus of -100% Jump Fatigue and are exempt from the Jump Range nerf. Eve will still feel bigger than it does now without damaging null sec economies with ill thought-out nerfs to logistics.

Jump Freighters with 5LY limit? Really?

How someone, who lives in Stain will get to Jita with no docking rights in Catch/Providence???

Simple: he dont get to Jita with 5LY JF.
Oh wait, he can jump to system on route and dont dock, wait to cool down timer on cyno, but wait, theres no cloak on JF...

Also it affects other frontier regions like Period Basis/Feythabolis and many more.

Another knife in the back for smaller alliances without sov, keep it up.

congratulations ccp you just had 4 less paying accounts to your name and keep on sticking your head into the excrement and you can have 0 paying customers at the end

Is CCP going to make deep null sec as wasted land?
After that 5ly nerf on caps, there are some regions you never can't be without using regional gates.

Hoping there'll be no cloakie neuts.

So what you're saying is solo play is not allowed, what happened to the sandbox?

What cap pilot in their right mind is going to risk billions of isk to use gates ? Come on seriously people.

To all the goons and CFC still crying over this:

CCP is not trying to ruin the game, they are trying to ruin your game.

And I'm going to go there, Greyscale is a freaking moron.

If I had 1 wish, it would be that he would be summarily fired from CCP. If I had 2, he'd be fired and then neutered so his stupidity would be prevented from continuing on.

Give me 3 wishes, and his entire genetic history would be removed from all of history.

Have a closer look at who is posting, very few goons are against this, you know why, because it benefits them more then anybody else.

They have the manpower to cope with the changes. They have the Capital ships to defend their home systems, they have the isk to seed system after system with carriers and dreads and they are going to have even more isk after these changes.

Goons won't at all be affected by these changes, in fact they'll just grow stronger. They also aren't posting in this thread crying their eyes out.

You guys really make me laugh..

CFC have proved time and time again that they can quite easily win engagements without the use of Capital Ships.

Hell only yesterday they obliterated a nulli BS Fleet worth 36bil using bombers.

I really can not wait until a few weeks after this patch to see all the people laughing now saying this will really hurt the likes of CFC / NC / PL only to realise it has just made things worse.

I think people raged themselves into submission. The thread is slowing down.

No characters left? all biomassed?

Just as i halfway through jump calibration 5... Thanks for wasting my time again CCP.

Time penalty based fatigue is bad game design in my opinion. If the issue is force projection then simply limit projection without making jumpdrives a pointless mechanic.

Leave the base jump range the way it is but after a jump, reduce the max jump range. That would limit projection but wouldn't make jumpdrives pointless or force people to log off due to unreasonable fatigue.

So, after 7,700 posts, I guess CCP will just implement without changes? I mean, since it is such a simple and straight forward change, and everyone is in agreement. And I'm sure the CSM has now discussed ALL the changes, for more than 12 hours, since you didn't talk about 50% of this dev blog with them beforehand.

This has now had more debate than when T20 magicked T2 BPOs into existence. Maybe you guys could just do that instead.

But don't worry guys! They'll modify it to 'fix' it after it goes live. Just like Dominion Sov. And that door on your captains quarters. And POSes. and Super's ewar immunity. And anomalies. And war decs. And Faction Warfare. And heavy missiles. And the half a dozen hulls that nobody uses. And the blue donut. Oh wait, this is the fix for that, right? Yeah, totally trust they're going to fix this post patch.

8 months learned skills a character specifically for Thanatos, without this patch carriers is rarely used, now I think I can safely delete this character.
Do you really think that jumping from the gate to the gate most interesting exercise in Eve?

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